Exactly so. As expected, the pieces to assemble are the same as the original. Its very easy to make an illegal copy of a miniature, especially if the country where its made has bad labour policies. All of my recasts are better quality that forgeworkd or other manufacturers. You know what happens? Unfortunately, the quality of their products leaves much to be desired. Mainly because it is ILLEGAL. I will always buy the original product when I can, but Im also going to buy high quality recasts for models that I need multiples of. These companies do not pay any IP rights. If you are honestly trying to peddle such nonsense as recast being better than originals you are either seriously deluded or an outright liar! Youre not automatically entitled to them. 20+ years of Warhammer and I only found out about recasts a few months ago. These illegal copies are either found in the second hand market or directly by those looking for a 70% discount or more. It's generally frowned upon. @Greg. Or rather, do they produce miniatures with base polystyrene produced in highly toxic factories in China and Vietnam? The price of the cinema these days is ridiculous. produce in the country you sell in and not in china.. then we can talk until then you get what you deserve! A lot of resin has to be removed, rectified and even replaced with putty. to produce a 45 dollar marine squad it cost 5 bucks, sure. The other aspect is quality of product, I know a lot of LoTR players would rather buy metal recasts from ebay rather than finecast versions of originally metal models from gw (basically all the elite troops were switched from metal to finecast when finecast first came out, so its not even the improved finecast). Some of the casts I have bought would struggle to be used as scenery they are that bad. there was articular about how GW buys there cast from Chinese companys and they over order and then decide not to pay for amount they decide they no longer need. Just as with Lietpold, the amount of resin and burrs it has is endless, making it especially difficult to find out what belongs to the model and what is left over. @Italeri Games Workshop prices are high, but they are not massively greater than companies like Knight Models. Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig Upload. And I firmly put the blame into the hands of piracy aka stealing. Z Catalog Recast. OUR EXISTENCE IS IN DANGER! Genestealer Cult, Ad Mech & Eldar Top The 40k Army Lists. Now im buying tons of big recasted models. GW going out of business would be the best thing in the world for the hobby. I totally understand how the purchasing of recasts of existing stock is hurting miniature companies, but what do you think about the recasting of long out of production (10 years plus) miniatures? Blaming the pirates did not work for the music or film industries, it will not work here either. Reply . Age of Sigmar is more popular than WFB was. I thought he was describing forge world quality there for a second. people who dont play a game ultimately kill the game/hobby. Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. Recast companies will be making more profit than the small indies as they dont have any other costs. Wait how is this killing the hobby ? I do not buy such copies for moral reasons, but I will not buy original figurines. Big mistake to highlight just one country for recasting. Ok fair enough, our companies are small and action costs. We pay for quality in finishes and materials, and the most important ofall: Why, then, does FW (who run a much smaller operation, fewer employees, use silicon moulds rather than the hundred thousand pound plastic ones) charge 40 for a box of 10 Krieg Troopers? They were available on the ebay site of the Chinese network named Taobao. clearly you have no idea about running a business you think that when you buy a model you pay just for resin ? And a very recent case of IP theft in Spain as you mention has brought this into the spotlight, but we havent found the time yet to properly talk about this very important matter. Is it okay to create my own miniatures if they are not a product that Games Workshop creates or has any copyrights on? 1. Its all for love. With those numbers the hobby will never die, thats amazing! It didnt take long for GW to take action, and after a while it became nearly impossible to find these copies online. I havent bought any GW recasts yet but I support it because if it eventually hurts GW enough that they reevaluate their business practices and lower their prices, that will bring more people into the hobby and overall gaming will be better. The resin *can* be toxic, but buying from larger recasters is safe. For a better comparison, I have cleaned all the copies of excess resin and plastic. See our, and recently hired an infringements assistant. It is the same, in my opinion, as downloading movies and music that you havent paid for the right to see. CCoN has lower inventory variety and higher cost, but he's cheapest when he has a sale and it's really good quality. Prisons are filled with thieves. We havent got a global Netflix style service with all movies available. Ive never bought a re-cast and never will. Famous search engines of Chinese products show easily references of companies like Andrea Miniatures, Nocturna Models, Young Miniatures, Knight Models, and many others. LET THEM sink. Even so, I think this issue began with Chinese copies of Forgeworld references. Let us know in the comments of ourFacebook Hobby Group,and make sure youenter the latest monthly giveaway for FREE today! Its nice to see such mature topics being treated with depth. After what number model those artists are paid ? But in the past 2 years their stock has sky rocketed. My FLGS has 20 tables filled with terrain whereas the GW has two tables in a tiny store away from any major shopping areas. As Infringements Assistant, you will assist with all things relating to infringements. rockit cool direct die oculus link mic not working. It leaked that it costs Games Workshop about $5-$7 per a box of Marine Tac squad. Judge yourselves. Man, either you are some kid, troll or just an idiot with no capacity to think logically. Detail is not lost when buying from larger recasters. This scourge of the hobby is a worldwide problem. You retard, that was already included in the measurement. Youll argue but I havent taken anything and the owner of the IP still has their product. But heres the kicker. Horus Heresy Adds a New Librarian Consul Model! I wonder If anybody writing that ever have ever hold Forge World model. Tripling the quarterly profits isnt exactly telling me that they are covering costs and slowly expanding. But imo GW are flogging its customers for all its worth while things are good. It leaves you a very salty taste. The first company produces models that are far better sculpts and casts than the second. But what about the giant press they had to design and manufacture. When Games Workshop uses ONLY domestic materials and employees, thats when Ill stop augmenting my official purchases with personal recasts. The models chosen are both from Forgeworld, the Elysian Tauros Venator and the classic Lietpold the Black. I look forward to you trying that defence in court. The current situation especially benefits those people who kept their stuff in boxes rather than paint/assemble/game with them, essentially those who buy the product but dont take part in the hobby. I dont buy recasts, and I dont buy from companies that charge more than I think is reasonable. GW can produce, package, sculpt, advertise etc a box of Cadian Shock Troops for 20. Instead of looking into the business that are in the climate (and possibly are the reason for the climate being the way it is) we try to cancel culture those in the hobby. They are the backbone of the operation and have done this for years to create wonderful minis as well as a great line of paints. How Imperial Agents Work in 10th Edition & Free Arbites Rules! We are always keen to ensure continuous improvement of our processes, so you will be involved in researching and identifying new ways for Games Workshop to approach infringing and counterfeit product removal and implementing improvements to the infringements process.. They should be 30% of that and maybe nobody would copy that. You are absolutely right and I agree with you (but I like, and buying, many expensive figures). We mainly cover Warhammer 40k, Fantasy, Age of Sigmar, Warmachine, Hordes, X-Wing, Infinity, Horus Heresy, and Star Wars Armada. Their heart is closer to their craft, and I could not justify owning their product while paying someone else for it. Here's his speech in full to read all at once. Not me. Try to pay a good concept designer, a good sculptor, a good painter for box art, than doing promotion, pay tax, location, bills and what else and dont forget you need to have profit for time and risk you took. I am relatively new to the hobby maybe 4 years now and get the argument from each side. Also, the resin used for the recasts is a very smelly material, with a very weak and brittle body, and you have to be careful with it at all times. Its material has still some margin for manipulation, as opposed to the one in the recast copy. They should suffer! They stole the right to complain about re-castes when they demand unreasonable prices, and thus stealing the joy of the hobby. Back to the content 'Desu Korps of Kreig'. There is no better way to understand the lousy quality of these recasts than by putting them in front of their originals. However, basically its the same piece, without any add-ons, so it works to do the comparison. hell do they even pay their staff a decent wage. The more people there are who are anticipating the reveal of new stuff are there because there is an established community and it only gets better the bigger the community is. I completely agree with your statement. Bollocks. The cost of your model is not only resin, but a sum of the voice, buy from a recaster and you are a thief like the recaster itself. Finecast is so good, I really dont understand recast buyers ! In the case of this piece, originally from Forgeworld, I had a small problem with the recasters. But there is a thing Id wish to point out, its the Chinese stigmatisation I am french living in China for about ten years now, and Chinese bashing is just a constant thing I hear from most of westerners and is absolutely not right either. Another army made unplayable. Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. This really rips ma knitting this! Cant have it both ways, either strict on piracy or not. 2K. Also, if you think this is going to destroy GW, check out their profit margins in their annual business reports. So recast companies will push this margin further and further. I have a motto I live by it.regarding others if you lie,you can cheat,cheat you can steal, steal you can.lets just say theres many cases of some folks needing something bad ,dont have the money and try and steal for itthings escalate and then murder becomes involved. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/. You are stealing. Lets say I want a cheap 1k starting army, but Im a college kid who cant justify the outrageous cost ($250 minimum, plus the hobby equipment and paint for at least $300 min). Nice article, only preaching to converted. There are so many classic wfb models Id love to buy, but the second hand market is just crazy since aos happened and some models are just near impossible to find, even if you have the money. Just saying individuals like that who do that have no moral compass. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry behind this hobby of ours. DVD prices havent gone down. As Alchemy said, they drive more new hobbyists away by doing it in this and inevitably lose out of profit in the long run. Those are the nice guys who brought us age of sigmar, which made great armys obsolete and huge investmenst of time and money into them void. Only we can act effectively against miniature recasting! Spikey Bits is a registered trademark of Purple Elephants. The assumption that any money spent on recasts would have gone to GW is incorrect. You stole the profits from a miniature company that puts food on their table, heats their homes, takes their kids to sports events/cinema (more on this in a min)/etc. The difficult thing is to develop a miniature from scratch, starting with an idea that begins with just a few pencil strokes on paper. We exploit our environment by our very nature and capitals need for constant continual acceleration in exploitation was never sustainable to start with. u go to china to get the product made why do you deserve protection from western copy right laws ? You guys do a great job on this site/blog. Check out their full message on their Facebook page. All rights reserved. Youre obviously not using a good recaster, also you havent mentioned the cheap cost of resin and how much profit is made on resin models. Warhammer fantasy was half my life and then they did this to me.. fuck them. Not because GW has a better product, but because GW will sue the crap out of anyone who makes a model that looks similar to a GW model. At a glance, recasts appear quite similar, but when looked at closely, important flaws become evident. as you seem to be proud of the fact you steal form these companies. GW rant incoming: I agree with buying recasts only when it is GW. Continue with Recommended Cookies, A major recaster in China is closing up shop after being contacted by Games Workshop regarding their Warhammer. The one kit, the producers knew was a more elite unit and that people were likely to buy one or two of at most, the other a basic infantry squad and that people were more likely to need a decent handful of. Lately all brands have seen how our creations are being reproduced illegally and without any scruples in a massive way. I love the crocodile tears about the indie companies. Greg Smith, omg, really ? There's several recasters that operate based on email, and the subreddit posts reviews of their products. GW copycat ideas from sourses like Terminator,Alien, Dungeons and Dragons and what not. Games workshop has an extremely bad ethic towards its pricing, I saw a comparison of two kits, with a near identical amount of plastic used for the construction and both were released in the same time frame and likely designed side by side. As it goes for GW story is different as plastic is better, quality great and models in box sets are not so expensive. P.O. GWs greed and extortionate prices. The models they had to sculpt digitally and then cast in a way they would both fit in the box, and be easy to mass produce. Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. the whole they charge too much so stuff them attitude is scummy and weak they are a business and need to make a profit if they start to lose market share because people are turning to other games then they might re think their prices. If you happen to know of any second hand recast seller, or on-line store selling these fake products, we encourage you to contact the corresponding company affected so they can take proper measures against it. You are completely right about this. Recasters mates, I got a leviathan dreadnought for 40 NZD, Here I was just about to order a god damn Storm Hawk and their page gets ----ing annihilated, Rip, they should be back up in a couple of days. A regular in national events wherever they are, huge advocate of hobbying with good beer and friends ;). So the person being greedy here is you. On average every 30 recasts bought is one less miniature to the market. Great article, it is a fair fight and I am seriously pleased to see this being taken seriously, even in the comments section. Whats the actual law being broken when trading for a recast model? But Netflix absorbed a lot of people, including the extremely low population of pirates, who just wanted a reasonable price for what they wanted. I have original models, but only because I discovered only recently about recast and I will definitely go this way. I mean, yes, you have to pay sculpting, designing, producingBut after a certain amount of models sold, the rest is profit. Nor is an active and enterprising collaborator of many projects related to our community, contributing with ideas, work on social networks and the Internet. OK, rightful, dont buy it, but if you buy from a recast is like steal the model. 33% of the original, and with a positive experience in my pocket Im more likely to stick into the hobby, which means more long term profits. FJ was developed by a multicultural team of various beliefs. Recasts and piracy, in general, is suddenly on the rise across the hobby as a whole, as other manufacturers and independent artists are also starting to take a hit. From the beginning thought of a new model in their head to putting it on paper, and into real life. Nor over on Volomir talked about some of the reasons why miniature copies need to be []. And I do not buy the excuse hey, this is an expensive hobby. And its not Hollywood that is getting killed. And people have stopped going because why spend 20 on a family trip to the cinema (10 years ago) when you can get the movie for free. You aren't allowed to use recasts in a GW store, for one (though depending on the quality, people might not notice). Both have exactly the same parts. We are actually preparing another post about that specific issue you are mentioning because that is a topic that will also lead to a huge discussion! GW has serious plastic and great details, FW does not. Its partly to do with inflation, but mostly due to the declining numbers of people going. (and here I come back the argument) its the small independent places that can no longer get the movies into big cinema chains because they wont bring in the numbers to cover the costs. Mainly Forgeworld and resin copies of Games Workshop plastic kits. Products leaves much to be removed, rectified and even replaced with putty when demand! 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